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Posted By:
Jane Brown
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Hello,
I have a project management role in a large investment bank, and I am considering taking the PRINCE2 qualification. I would like to know how useful others have found this, particularly if others in their organisation do not have the qualification.
Thanks!
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Date/Time of Post: 21 Nov 2004 03:41
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Subject: PRINCE2 Qualification
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Posted By:
James
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Jane,
I work for a large blue-chip company and took the PRINCE2 qualification a few years ago. I have found it very useful not only from a practical sense, but from a credibility point of view as well.
PRINCE2 has had some good press and it seems that the qualification carries some weight on its own. Of course you have to back that up with actions, but I feel its certainly enhanced my worth.
Best Wishes,
James
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Date/Time of Post: 21 Nov 2004 03:41
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Subject: PRINCE in the real world
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Posted By:
Cathy
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Jane
I think it depends a lot on the world you work in. In a previous life I was in FMCG business - and PRINCE was not something that came up in recruitment ie it would be a "nice to have" but would not hold more weight than any other equivalent qualification.
Now I work in a charity, in a project that links to public sector, and I'm surrounded by PRINCE ! Even if we don't actually use it "properly", it does hold weight in recruiting, people development etc.
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Date/Time of Post: 21 Nov 2004 03:42
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Posted By:
Prince Jewels
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I have a strong IT background and currently working as a presales consultant. I am interested in getting into project management, I intend to get the prince 2 training and qualification. Do you think this is a good path or what do you think
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Date/Time of Post: 21 Nov 2004 03:43
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Posted By:
Robert
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Prince Jewels, Jane,
If your organisation doesn't currently use PRINCE2, a PRINCE2 will be of limited value, as these will only teach you the methodology as such. I believe you're better off with a course that actually teaches project management skills.
A PRINCE2 qualification will look good on your CV, and is especially helpful if you submit it to recruitment companies etc.
I believe that getting an APMP or ISEB qualification is more valuable. I just received my ISEB certificate (course provided by Xansa) and I know this increases my career opportunities both within and external to the company I currently work for (and I thank them for paying for the course
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Date/Time of Post: 21 Nov 2004 03:44
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Subject: Re: Career Change
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Posted By:
PMTI
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Lately PMP Certification is getting significant press. Check PMI Salary SUrveys (www.pmi.org) as well as Marketing Research by Foote Partners. Both indicate PMP Certification is the best certification to get in the IT industry today! (although the certification is not just for IT Professionals!)
PMI Certification has become the hottest certification in the industry today. PMP Exam Prep is not for the timid. It can take 6 to 12 months for most people. You can download a free PMP Exam Prep Toolkit from PMTI - http://www.4PMTI.com. It answers questions that are common for those looking for a career change:
What is PMI®, PMBOK®? How is it organized?
What is PMP® Certification?
Why Should I get PMP® Certified?
Can I take the PMP® Exam? What are the qualification requirements?
How do I find out all about PMP® Test?
What are the career benefits ? Who is taking it ?
What courses are available for this test? and can I attend it?
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Date/Time of Post: 21 Nov 2004 03:45
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Posted By:
Robert
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For all UK based PM's: If you are looking to get a PMP or any other certification in Project Management, I strongly recommend going with a UK based supplier, not with an overseas supplier like PMTI.
The benefits are obvious: closer to home, more tuned to the UK market, you can make contact with other UK based PM's etc.
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Date/Time of Post: 21 Nov 2004 03:45
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Posted By:
Nigel
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Robert -- I have to second your opinion. As a technical recruiting manager in the UK, I can confirm that UK based qualifacations rate higher than US based qualifications because of the differences in culture and approach to Project Management.
The Project Management Institute that "PTMI" (whatever your real name is) quotes is agains US based, which doesn't reflect the situation in the UK at all.
Nige.
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Date/Time of Post: 21 Nov 2004 03:46
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Posted By:
Vicky
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PRINCE2 is for an organisation, rather than an individual, as it is no use if the rest of the organisation are not implementing it.
Vicky
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Date/Time of Post: 21 Nov 2004 03:46
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Subject: Pioneering PRINCE2
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Posted By:
Laurence
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Hello Jane,
If I were you I would make taking the PRINCE2 exam a priority, for a number of reasons;
- PRINCE2 is gaining ground incredibly quickly these days, with take-up growing in more & more countries in Europe & worldwide (e.g. newly accredited trainers & translations in Italy & Poland, not to mention being well-established in Scandinavia, Benelux, Australia, South Africa etc.). Businesses are finally catching onto the value of having a pan-European/worldwide PM language and method, that has a qualification attached, and does not cost a fortune to licence once implemented
- over 100,000 people have now taken the PRINCE2 exams
- there are a growing number of software tools to support PRINCE2 (E.g. PRINCEWORLD as a standalone tool, p2msp for MS-Project, PRINCE2 templates within Primavera)
- PMI/PMP mentioned elsewhere in this thread is NOT an alternative to PRINCE2, it is more like "everything else you need to know on top of PRINCE2" to be an effective PM. A quick Google search on both terms combined will deliver some useful insights (e.g. Max Wideman's site)
- Being the first in your company to take the PRINCE2 exam would undoubtedly be a good career move, for instance you could just point your HR Manager at Project Management jobs on Jobserve to see how many companies ask for PRINCE2 these days, and I am sure they would see the benefit of your comany seeking a UKAS accredited qualification for future PM posts - you have at least a much better idea of what you are getting. I suspect that within 3 years there is a very good chance your company will be using PRINCE2, so an early qualification would place you at the vanguard of that implementation.
People will also tell you (as in previous posts in this thread), that implementing PRINCE2 requires a top-down implementation, and full organisation-wide adoption of the method. Not true - the best organisational implementations have a much more sensible and gradual approach, and start with a pilot project. You do need high-level sponsorship before you can move it out of your immediate domain, but by then you can use PRINCE2 to plan your rollout, so no problem! Also you will find that all of the top ATOs (e.g. SPOCE, Key Skills, Parity etc.) have substantial experience in this area and could produce a very cost-effective tailored package for a larger rollout, and also provide plenty of help to gain support in your organisation.
Finally it is really important to recognise that a PRINCE2 course and exam only covers about 20% of being a Project Manager, the other things you need to know are;
- Project Planning tools (Gantt, PERT, Critical Chain etc.)
- People Management skills (team-building, goal-setting, Power & Influence etc.)
- Meeting Management skills
- Stakeholder Management skills
- Communication skills (NB Listening! not just outbound!)
Apologies if this is all old hat and you are a seasoned PM inquiring about PRINCE2, but I get the impression from many posts on this board that there are a lot of novice PMs reading & posting who might benefit anyway.
Best Regards & good luck if you go for it,
Laurence.
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Date/Time of Post: 21 Nov 2004 03:47
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Posted By:
ene
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hi guys back on the road.
Lawrence, your points well presented and noted. But do you think Prince2 will be useful in constrcution Industries and/or for those setting up small business in building and construction industries.
Thank you
Another would be p2 novice.
Can I prepare for the foundation and practitioner exams without attending the course? I want to put in for the exams in the 1st quarter of the forthcoming year. Or am I over ambitious?
ene
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Date/Time of Post: 23 Dec 2004 11:38
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Posted By:
Guest
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Hi Guys
Do you think Prince2 is accrdited and well recognized in US software circles or is it only in
the European communities.
Thanks
----Ab
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Date/Time of Post: 24 Dec 2004 04:49
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Posted By:
Novice
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I was under the impression that PMP was a standardised exam based certification and that there is no diffs between the US and UK, or anywhere else for that.
I don't know much about Prince2. Is it not just another bundle of templates that don't fit the project in the first place. Surely you don't need to pay a packet for someone else to set up a fancy way to report back progress if it is straight forward in the first place. Where does the value lie ?
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Date/Time of Post: 29 Dec 2004 01:54
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Posted By:
Guest
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where does the value lie if one is in online advertising working as a project manager. is it even applicable?
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Date/Time of Post: 22 Jan 2005 02:34
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Subject: Prince 2 software
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Posted By:
Guest
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Sorry if this may sound a bit strange but were can i purchace the Prince2 software, not books or training but the actual application its self.
Thank you
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Date/Time of Post: 02 Feb 2005 10:30
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